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NowyDate: Monday, 21/March/2011, 5:15 PM | Message # 21
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From my point of view it is simplification.

No, it was not simplification.
Open you eyes wide, then you can see many mistakes in Csx.

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Yes. If you try to facilitate work, then you do it. If you did something wrong, then nobody look at your mistake. Work must go on.

If you make too many small mistakes then it could be there big mistakes. When you made big mistakes then many things goes wrong, because you have not time for improvements. This way it is not simplification and not facilitate work. It is snow ball effect, and clearly that it was C2 case too.

Look at C2 editor you can find there next glitches. Worse that all prepared to this game campaigns were quite strange and total, fictional fantasy too. They simply made there next mistakes and have not time for improvements. Then they tried sell semi finished product.

Therefore many people think that it was not so successful game as like C1 was. Nevertheless many people like and prefer C2 and think that it can be more interesting and have much more chances for success. But somebody should make some improvements there or make quite new game basing on some good ideas from C2.

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I don't know. But looking at computers games it looks like it is difficult.

Are you joking?
What a matter was for professional men paint uniform dark blue instead black for Polish Voltigeur, change French Voltigur with French Chasseur, prepare properly Cossacks, Guerillas and Guardsmen units, implement fine Generals, put more historical and geographical correctly all campaigns and battles etc.

Gex and Hawks can do many things for older ACFB game quite well and GSC men can not did it well for C2 form the beginning? Unbelievable that it was too difficult. There could be only lack historical knowledge, then many simple mistakes and lack of time for improvements I suppose.

 
CichorDate: Monday, 21/March/2011, 5:55 PM | Message # 22
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No, it was not simplification.
Open you eyes wide, then you can see many mistakes in Csx.

I'm sorry that you not agree with me. But you should respect my minds. For me it is simplification. For me Csx is not all my life, games are not all my life. My desire is not to correct all games to be superhipermegahistorical or similar to them, becasue games... are only games. Never will simulate true battlefield. I always know that, games were, are and never be historical and realistic. Try to understand me, ok? If someone realised one fine day game like you want it will be nice, but if to end of my life never happen then nothing change.

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I don't know. But looking at computers games it looks like it is difficult.

Are you joking?
What a matter was for professional men paint uniform dark blue instead black for Polish Voltigeur, change French Voltigur with French Chasseur, prepare properly Cossacks, Guerillas and Guardsmen units, implement fine Generals, put more historical and geographical correctly all campaigns and battles etc.

I don't usnderstand you. First you laughing at my answer at your question and then still demend answer from me. You waiting until I will write like you want?
It looks like you know answer, then why you asking me about it?
Maybe I should ask you? Why professionals made so many mistakes and don't want to fixed them? They are lazy? Too busy? Or earn not enough?


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NowyDate: Wednesday, 13/April/2011, 11:18 AM | Message # 23
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I respect your minds, but I have rights to put my opinions too. If somebody makes sometimes inaccurate statements then others can disagree. It is nothing personal and any kind of wishful thinking about Csx games.

Every game is somehow simplification, but we discussed about concrete mistakes and not about all game in that case. Therefore I asserted only that too many mistakes did not facilitate work and that clearly was not simplification if they made so many simply mistakes there.

I also can live without those needed improvements, however it will be good to see that somebody can make better computer games.

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I don't usnderstand you. First you laughing at my answer at your question and then still demend answer from me. You waiting until I will write like you want?
It looks like you know answer, then why you asking me about it?

I didn’t laughing and didn’t demand answer from you in this case. I only thought that you knew what is mean rhetoric question. Then I simply put rhetoric questions.

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Why professionals made so many mistakes and don't want to fixed them?

Really I don’t know why they made mistakes and don’t want to fixed them.
Think that you know that everybody can make mistakes, but stay in mistake is a big mistake, isn’t it.

Added (13/April/2011, 11:18 Am)
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Strange thing still exist on this formu.

During this month we have got next 284 members and only 77 new replies.

All they registred there, but did they only want to say hallo on this Cossacks site?
They have not any questions, suggestion, ideas and remarks about these games.
Sad and strange this thing.

PS
Hey moderators, can you check links to to official cdv C2 NW and BfE English forums? These links still are not actual on this site.
Improve it please.

Regards
Nowy

 
EbelAngelDate: Wednesday, 13/April/2011, 1:47 PM | Message # 24
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PS
Hey moderators, can you check links to to official cdv C2 NW and BfE English forums? These links still are not actual on this site.
Improve it please.

Done, thanks for reporting.


 
peteDate: Thursday, 14/April/2011, 12:38 PM | Message # 25
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GSC has long since moved away from RTS games, they even publicly stated that Cossacks 2 would be their final RTS game, so one cannot expect much else from them in the RTS world.

GSC are also notorious for ignoring emails and ignoring community suggestions and bug reports, look how long it too for any patch fixes to be released for any of their RTS games.

 
EbelAngelDate: Thursday, 14/April/2011, 1:01 PM | Message # 26
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GSC has long since moved away from RTS games, they even publicly stated that Cossacks 2 would be their final RTS game, so one cannot expect much else from them in the RTS world.

Where did you read that?
I know one off their RTS/RPG games which came out AFTER Cossacks II, so...?

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GSC are also notorious for ignoring emails and ignoring community suggestions and bug reports, look how long it too for any patch fixes to be released for any of their RTS games.

Very true. They do respond sometimes though.


 
NowyDate: Thursday, 14/April/2011, 10:47 PM | Message # 27
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Hm, HoAE came out after C2 but it was developed near at the same time I suppouse and it was c.a. five years ago.
Then GSC dveloped Stalker series FPP games. Think that it is not so good that they abandon RTS games. They will get into troubles if they will still
produce only the one kind of computer game.

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GSC are also notorious for ignoring emails and ignoring community suggestions and bug reports, look how long it too for any patch fixes to be released for any of their RTS games.

It is common practice for many developers, nevertheless community can send suggestions, ideas, reports and even demands.
If developer will ignore them too much, will lost fun base for their games and that can be bad.

They should know that community it is not only the funs, but also the customers and public relations are important for their business.

 
peteDate: Friday, 15/April/2011, 12:45 PM | Message # 28
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Where did you read that?
I know one off their RTS/RPG games which came out AFTER Cossacks II, so...?

It was on the GSC-Game.com forums long ago during Cossacks 2 development, the thread would still be on there somewhere.

Which RTS is that?

 
EbelAngelDate: Friday, 15/April/2011, 8:12 PM | Message # 29
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Which RTS is that?

Heroes Of Annihilated Empires

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peteDate: Saturday, 16/April/2011, 5:43 AM | Message # 30
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Heroes Of Annihilated Empires
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http://hoae.ucoz.net/

Ah yeh Heroes of Annihilated Empires, I know that one, but that was being developed while the other games were being made as well, and the comment that was made about GSC-Game not focusing on anymore RTS games was made after it was released, and going by the poor sales of Heroes of Annihilated Empires I am sure they would stick with this decision, although things may change, the bigggest problem is that the gaming world has shifted from what it used to be, First Person Shooters is where all the money is being made.

I will try and find the thread which the statement was made, I'm pretty sure the comment was made by GSC Pepsi, that's how long ago it was.

 
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