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peteDate: Monday, 18/October/2010, 12:13 PM | Message # 61
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As for the Crusades, if I remember correctly, the muslims had cannons, grenades, simple firearms, napalm-based flame-throwers and other high-tech gadgets and weaponry while the Christians had Crossbows, cavalry, swords and pikes. I find it so ironic that the tables are turned now.

Cannons, grenades, grenades & napalm flame throwers did not exist during this period. It was all sword and arrow.

 
[hwk]poppenDate: Monday, 18/October/2010, 12:39 PM | Message # 62
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hmmm. yes the crusades had a virarity of swords. and different weapons. but no black powder yet





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IenzoDate: Monday, 18/October/2010, 3:39 PM | Message # 63
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I do believe they did have black powder. And Greek fire! That was the flame-thrower I meant. I think i read there was a mention of grenades. I think it was copied from the Mongols. Cannons too, in a crude way. I believe, copied all the way from China!

I'll need to check my facts... But I'm sure they had greek-fire and black powder!

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Greek-fire flame-throwers, greek-fire based grenades, cannons and hand cannons. They did exist, and within the scope of the muslims. This is the Islamic Golden Age, the apogee of islamic alchemy!

Also, there seems to be confusion on the time period these weapons were used. Turns out, 12th century onwards. Cannons, a bit later. Sorry tongue



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CichorDate: Monday, 18/October/2010, 5:43 PM | Message # 64
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Poland will be one of playable nation in mod?

I can write few interesting facts about Polish history and if you have any question about it I can asnwer it. Listining (or rather reading :)) to me:

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I do believe they did have black powder.

In 1241 near Legnica (city in Silesia) troops of Polish duke of Silesia, Henryk II Pobożny (Henry II Devout) lost with invaders from far east - Mongols. One of reasons why he lost battle (life too) is that Mongols used weapons based on black powder or military gases - in result part of Henry's army run away.

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And Greek fire! That was the flame-thrower I meant. I think i read there was a mention of grenades.

Greek fire not only in Byzantine Empire but in Arabic states and China. About "granades":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_fire
there are few photos from museum (10th -12th c).

I don't know who invented cannons but I can write few facts:
Teutonic Order used cannons when they besieged Kowno (city in Lithuania) in 1362. In 1410 battle near Grunwald, Teutonic Order used against Władysław II Jagiełło troops (I don't remember number of cannons). In 1383 during besieging Pyzdry, Polish forces used cannons.

In Poland many thing came 25-50 years after it appeared in West Europe. Thinking this way first cannons in Europe should appeared in first half of XIVth century. In which countries? I suppose it should be Italy, Spain, France or Holy Empire. I will try to find more informations in books, ok?


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peteDate: Tuesday, 19/October/2010, 12:24 PM | Message # 65
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Poland will be one of playable nation in mod?
I can write few interesting facts about Polish history and if you have any question about it I can asnwer it. Listining (or rather reading :)) to me:

Yes Poland will be a nation in the mod. Please supply any information on units and military tactics from the period.

 
CichorDate: Tuesday, 19/October/2010, 4:27 PM | Message # 66
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In book "Historia piechoty polskiej do 1864 roku" (History of Polish infrantry to 1864) Jana Wimmera I found information about cannons and black powder.

First time black powder type weapons were used by Arabs in Spain in XIIIth c. They assimilate it and black powder started conquering Europe. In 1338 French used cannons during besieging Puy-Guillaume.
At the end of XIV c. harquebus were in massive used. In battle of Beverhoutsveld (Bitwa pod Brugią) Phillip van Artevelds army used ca 300 harquebus (hakownic) placed on two-wheel carts.

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Yes Poland will be a nation in the mod. Please supply any information on units and military tactics from the period.

Any specific questions?


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peteDate: Wednesday, 20/October/2010, 8:47 AM | Message # 67
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Any specific questions?

Units types they had for period would be good.
 
CichorDate: Wednesday, 20/October/2010, 11:02 AM | Message # 68
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Any specific questions?

Units types they had for period would be good.

Give me some time to gathering necessary informations, photos, pictures.

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The mod will focus on the European nations during the 1200, 1300 & early 1400.

You planning divide it into periods like in C1 (XVII and XVIIIth c) or AC?

I have few questions, what about:
1) walls and palisades?
2) javealin throwers?
3) capturing units?
4) mercenaries?


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peteDate: Wednesday, 20/October/2010, 2:04 PM | Message # 69
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At this stage the units will apply to the 1200, 1300 and very early 1400, unit types remained similar if not the same for this period.
Do you mean like upgrade to the next century?

Walls and palisades will be in the game yes
Javelin throwers have not been decided on yet
Units will be able to be captured, mainly buildings, peasants and siege units
Mercenaries are available, all listed on first page, I will be adding more info there as well.

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Currently gathering all the resources to do the units, have been tweaking my longbow unit and getting used to all the frames right, I think the Longbow will look good.
Medieval units book should arrive soon with all the correct costumes so I will be able to start work on the English mounted knights, swordsman, pikemen etc.

Any ideas on what a milita unit should look like and what weapon he should carry?
Im thinking also militia units should be able to be captured if not near other military units (much like peasants) any ideas on this?

 
CichorDate: Wednesday, 20/October/2010, 8:56 PM | Message # 70
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Do you mean like upgrade to the next century?

Yes.

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Any ideas on what a milita unit should look like and what weapon he should carry?
Im thinking also militia units should be able to be captured if not near other military units (much like peasants) any ideas on this?

Militia should be armed in spears. Spear (2 meters long) was easy and chip to produced weapon. Eventually some kind of shield, and light armor - maybe something similar to leather. Other option is to armed milita in maces or short swords.

In my opinion captureable (I don't know this word exist but I hope you know what I mean :P) militia is great mistake. I don't know much about AC engine and morale system but my suggest is to decrease morale and that all (stats too of course).
My proposition is about number of militia. Number should be related with number of houses, fortesses and another building. Big city - great number of militia, small town - a little group of militia.


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